Tag:Canadiens
Posted on: February 21, 2010 6:36 pm
 

3-2-1 Point System (3rd Quarter)

Hello again, another update on the 3-2-1 Point System.  For the history of this thread, check out the following links.

1st Quarter

2nd Quarter

To begin with, I'll show the current point system standings, and follow it up with the 3-2-1 Point System.

Current Point System

Eastern Conference

Pos GP Pts Team
 01   62  90   Washington Capitals
 02   61  77   New Jersey Devils
 03   63  76   Ottawa Senators
 04   62  76   Pittsburgh Penguins
 05   60  75   Buffalo Sabres
 06   60  67   Philadelphia Flyers
 07   60  65   Boston Bruins
 08   63  64   Montreal Canadiens 
 09   61  63   New York Rangers
 10   61  63   Tampa Bay Lightning 
 11   60  62   Atlanta Thrashers
 12   63  58   New York Islanders 
 13   61  58   Florida Panthers
 14   61  55   Carolina Hurricanes
 15   61  49   Toronto Maple Leafs

Western Conference
Pos GP Pts Team
 01   62  89   San Jose Sharks
 02   61  87   Chicago Blackhawks
 03   61  76   Vancouver Canucks
 04   63  79   Phoenix Coyotes 
 05   61  78   Los Angeles Kings
 06   61  76   Colorado Avalanche *
 07   61  71   Nashville Predators
 08   62  69   Calgary Flames 
 09   61  68   Detroit Red Wings
 10   61  68   Dallas Stars
 11   62  67   Anaheim Mighty Ducks
 12   62  65   St. Louis Blues
 13   61  64   Minnesota Wild
 14   63  60   Columbus Blue Jackets
 15   61  44   Edmonton Oilers 


3-2-1 Point System

Eastern Conference

Pos GP Pts   Team
 01   62  122   Washington Capitals
 02   63  107   Ottawa Senators
 03   61  107   New Jersey Devils
 04   60  102   Buffalo Sabres
 05   62  102   Pittsburgh Penguins
 06   60   95    Philadelphia Flyers
 07   61   85    New York Rangers 
 08   63   84    Montreal Canadiens 
 09   61   83    Tampa Bay Lightning 
 10   60   82    Boston Bruins
 11   60   79    Atlanta Thrashers
 12   61   75    Florida Panthers 
 13   61   73    Carolina Hurricanes
 14   63   73    New York Islanders 
 15   61   58    Toronto Maple Leafs

Western Conference
Pos GP Pts   Team
 01   62  120   San Jose Sharks
 02   61  120   Chicago Blackhawks
 03   61  110   Vancouver Canucks
 04   63  108   Phoenix Coyotes 
 05   61  107   Los Angeles Kings
 06   61  105   Colorado Avalanche
 07   61   97    Nashville Predators
 08   62   92    Calgary Flames 
 09   61   90    Minnesota Wild 
 10   62   90    Anaheim Mighty Ducks 
 11   61   88    Detroit Red Wings
 12   61   88    Dallas Stars
 13   62   83    St. Louis Blues
 14   63   82    Columbus Blue Jackets
 15   61   56    Edmonton Oilers 

The next (last) quarter I will really break things down so that people can adjust the scores for their own point systems.  I will do this as I know that a lot of people seem to disagree with my 'Overtime opinion' where I include the 5 minute overtime in the 3 point win section.

* Not sure why this isn't linking properly.
Posted on: January 2, 2010 7:02 pm
 

3-2-1 Point System (2nd Quarter)

For the story behind this, check my first "3-2-1 Point System" post at the link below:

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/
entry/18267405/18430655


In this update, I'll break down the team records to show their entire true record - Wins, Overtime Wins, Shootout Wins, Shootout Losses, Overtime Losses, Losses.  I will also include the tally points for both the current point system as well as my preferred point system, the 3-2-1 Point System.  

The following list shows the teams alphabetically listed in their divisions, with their extended records.

Western Conference
     Central Division
GP  W  OW  SW  SL  OL  L   Team
40   19   4      4     3     0   10   Chicago Blackhawks
42   11   2      2     8     1   18   Columbus Blue Jackets
40   15   2      3     3     3   14   Detroit Red Wings
41   17   3      4     1     2   14   Nashville Predators
40   12   2      3     3     3   17   St. Louis Blues

     Northwest Division
GP  W  OW  SW  SL  OL  L   Team
40   19   2      2     2     3   12   Calgary Flames
42   20   0      3     5     1   13   Colorado Avalanche
41   12   0      4     4     0   21   Edmonton Oilers
41   13   4      3     3     0   18   Minnesota Wild
41   21   1      2     1     0   16   Vancouver Canucks

     Pacific Division
GP  W  OW  SW  SL  OL  L   Team
40   12   2      2     4     3   17   Anaheim Mighty Ducks
40   14   2      2     7     4   11   Dallas Stars
41   16   2      5     3     0   15   Los Angeles Kings
42   18   3      4     3     1   13   Phoenix Coyotes
41   21   0      5     5     2    8    San Jose Sharks

Eastern Conference
     Atlantic Division
GP  W  OW  SW  SL  OL  L   Team
39   23   0      5     1     0   10   New Jersey Devils
43    9    5      2     5     3   19   New York Islanders
39   17   0      2     1     3   16   New York Rangers
40   15   1      3     2     1   18   Philadelphia Flyers
41   17   3      6     0     1   14   Pittsburgh Penguins

     Northeast Division
GP  W  OW  SW  SL  OL  L   Team
40   14   2      5     5     2   12   Boston Bruins
40   20   3      2     2     2   11   Buffalo Sabres
43   10   7      4     2     1   19   Montreal Canadiens
41   14   3      4     3     1   16   Ottawa Senators
41   13   0      1     2     7   18   Toronto Maple Leafs

     Southeast Division
GP  W  OW  SW  SL  OL  L   Team
40   13   2      3     2     3   17   Atlanta Thrashers
40    7    0      3     4     3   23   Carolina Hurricanes
41   10   1      1     5     2   18   Florida Panthers
40   12   2      5     6     4   15   Tampa Bay Lightning
40   19   2      3     2     4   10   Washington Capitals

As you probably noticed, I didn't include the tally points in those stats, but you will find those below.  Below, I will list the conference standings using the current point system.  Beside that tally will be the 3-2-1 tally and the position that the team would be in with those numbers.  I will also include a +/- number showing how many spots the team would change under the 3-2-1 Point System.

Western Conference
Current    3-2-1
Pos  Pts   Pos  Pts  Team
 01   59      02   78   San Jose Sharks (-1)
 02   57      01   80   Chicago Blackhawks (+1)
 03   52      05   71   Colorado Avalanche (-2)
 04   54      04   74   Phoenix Coyotes
 05   51      07   69   Nashville Predators (-2)
 06   51      06   69   Calgary Flames
 07   49      03   71   Vancouver Canucks (+4)
 08   49      08   67   Los Angeles Kings
 09   47      11   59   Dallas Stars (-2)
 10   46      09   60   Detroit Red Wings (+1)
 11   43      10   60   Minnesota Wild (+1)
 12   40      12   51   St. Louis Blues
 13   39      14   50   Anaheim Mighty Ducks (-1)
 14   39      13   51   Columbus Blue Jackets (+1)
 15   36      15   48   Edmonton Oilers

Eastern Conference
Current    3-2-1
Pos  Pts   Pos  Pts  Team
 01   57      01   80  New Jersey Devils
 02   54      02   75  Buffalo Sabres
 03   54      03   71  Washington Capitals
 04   53      04   72  Pittsburgh Penguins
 05   49      05   63  Boston Bruins
 06   46      06   62  Ottawa Senators
 07   45      07   61  Montreal Canadiens
 08   42      08   56  New York Rangers
 09   41      09   56  Philadelphia Flyers
 10   41      10   53  Atlanta Thrashers
 11   40      11   51  New York Islanders
 12   40      12   50  Tampa Bay Lightning
 13   39      13   48  Florida Panthers
 14   37      14   43  Toronto Maple Leafs
 15   27      15   31  Carolina Hurricane

Oddly, no changes in the Eastern Conference at the halfway mark in the season, but the Western Conference has some big changes with Vancouver (who has no Shooutout wins, but 21 Regulation wins and 1 Overtime win) moving up from 7th to 3rd in the conference standings.

I will re-examine this again at the 3rd quarter, and am always open for discussing the matter, so feel free to comment.

Posted on: November 27, 2009 5:49 pm
 

Montreal playing badly?

That's one way to put it.  The Habs are not having a great year, and if they keep this pace, they'll be very lucky to squeeze into the playoffs.  But that doesn't mean I don't love them, that doesn't mean I will ever cheer for another team.  But I may poke a little good-natured fun at them in this post.

This 'joke' is in reference to the game of November 21 when they played the Detroit Red Wings and wore their retro jerseys from the 1909-1910 season.  A link to the photos is below.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/gamece
nter/photos/NHL_20091121_DET@MON



Why did the Montreal Canadiens wear their blue and white jerseys for the game against Detroit?
  • They've playing so badly, the NHL forced them to dress up like the Maple Leafs.
Hahaha, hey why isn't anybody laughing...
Category: NHL
Posted on: November 20, 2009 6:24 pm
 

3-2-1 Point System (1st Quarter)

I am not, and never have been a fan of the 'shootout' to resolve an NHL game.  I know I am not alone in this dislike of the 'breakaway relay' but the league seems to be pretty adamant about keeping it around.  One of the reasons I dislike the SO is that a team winning in this manner attains the same value of points as a team winning in 60 minutes.  And the team losing in this manner still gains a point.  The league is giving away 3 points on some games and 2 points on others.  So points totals appear bloated, with teams who have lost a lot of close games edging out teams who have won more games.  A greater number of wins should count for a higher standing than a team who loses in overtime a lot, at least in my opinion.

So I have been keeping track of the wins/losses for the last couple seasons using a point system that I feel favours teams who actually win more.  I refer to it as a 3-2-1 point system, as the title implies.  This point system would see a team winning in regular time or over time receiving 3 points for their effort.  A team winning in the shootout would receive 2 points, while the team losing in shootout would receive a single point.  Losses in regulation or overtime would be worth zero points.

Now, a lot of people may argue with me including the 5 minute overtime in the pure win/loss category, but it wasn't that long ago that a loss in overtime was actually a loss and you got zero points.  I personally feel that that is a loss in regular season, just as it would be in play-offs.

So, now how does this affect the teams this season (2009-2010) up to this point, being approximately one quarter of the way through the season?  So first I'll post the current standing, by conference with division leaders at the top.

Eastern Conference
Pos GP Pts Team
 01   21  30   Washington Capitals
 02   20  29   New Jersey Devils
 03   18  25   Buffalo Sabres
 04   22  28   Pittsburgh Penguins
 05   18  25   Philadelphia Flyers
 06   21  23   New York Rangers
 07   19  23   Ottawa Senators
 08   21  23   New York Islanders
 09   19  23   Tampa Bay Lightning
 10   18  22   Atlanta Thrashers
 11   21  22   Boston Bruins
 12   21  20   Montreal Canadiens
 13   19  18   Florida Panthers
 14   21  13   Carolina Hurricanes
 15   20  12   Toronto Maple Leafs

Western Conference
Pos GP Pts Team
 01   23  32   San Jose Sharks
 02   22  29   Colorado Avalanche
 03   20  28   Chicago Blackhawks
 04   23  28   Los Angeles Kings
 05   20  26   Columbus Blue Jackets
 06   20  26   Calgary Flames
 07   22  25   Phoenix Coyotes
 08   21  24   Dallas Stars
 09   20  23   Nashville Predators
 10   19  23   Detroit Red Wings
 11   21  22   Vancouver Canucks
 12   22  21   Edmonton Oilers
 13   19  18   St. Louis Blues
 14   20  17   Anaheim Mighty Ducks
 15   21  16   Minnesota Wild

Now in the 3-2-1 point system, with the same layout as above.  And as you'll see, not a lot of major differences overall.  The teams that it most affects are teams that would be fighting for playoff spots, teams like the New York Islanders and the Dallas Stars.  Each of those teams would be out of their 8th place rankings in the current system because the 3-2-1 system doesn't reward them as heavily for their SO and OT performances.  Each of those teams has a SO win, 4 SO losses and a couple of OT losses, which would add up to a lot of extra points in the current system (9 of 16 possible points for NYI and 8 of 14 possible points for DAL).  But in the 3-2-1 system which favours wins, those games would only account for 6 points for either team (out of a possible 24 for NYI and 21 for DAL).

Eastern Conference
Pos GP Pts Team
 01   20  40   New Jersey Devils
 02   21  38   Washington Capitals
 03   18  34   Buffalo Sabres
 04   22  38   Pittsburgh Penguins
 05   18  35   Philadelphia Flyers
 06   21  32   New York Rangers
 07   19  31   Ottawa Senators
 08   18  31   Atlanta Thrashers
 09   19  28   Tampa Bay Lightning
 10   21  27   New York Islanders
 11   21  27   Boston Bruins
 12   21  26   Montreal Canadiens
 13   19  22   Florida Panthers
 14   21  12   Carolina Hurricanes
 15   20  11   Toronto Maple Leafs

Western Conference
Pos GP Pts Team
 01   23  43   San Jose Sharks
 02   22  40   Colorado Avalanche
 03   20  39   Chicago Blackhawks
 04   23  39   Los Angeles Kings
 05   20  36   Calgary Flames
 06   20  36   Columbus Blue Jackets
 07   22  34   Phoenix Coyotes
 08   20  32   Nashville Predators
 09   19  31   Detroit Red Wings
 10   21  31   Vancouver Canucks
 11   21  30   Dallas Stars
 12   22  28   Edmonton Oilers
 13   19  23   St. Louis Blues
 14   21  22   Minnesota Wild
 15   20  22   Anaheim Mighty Ducks

I'll be re-addressing this at about the half way point in the season as well, and will likely break it up a little differently to show the individual team records for better illustration of the point.


Posted on: November 14, 2009 11:50 pm
 

Record Setting Goaltending & Home'r 3 Stars

To say that Montreal Canadiens fans are the toughest critics for their goaltenders may be putting it lightly.  The Canadiens fans are not afraid to let their goaltender know when they think that he could be playing better.  Sometimes they can be downright rude.  And there have been a few of those goaltenders that have let the fans know that their voices are being heard.

Carey Price is one of those goaltenders.

Despite his ups and downs this season, of which there seems to be a few more downs than there has been ups, Carey Price came out tonight to play some solid goaltending against the Nashville Predators.  Hopefully he showed all those critics of his that this kid is the real deal, that he can play net with the best of them.  And he backed it up with the statistics to prove it.  Here a quick Canadiens history lesson:

  • March 10, 1974 - Wayne Thomas set the regular season single game save record with 53 saves against the Pittsburgh Penguins.  The Canadiens won that game 5-4.
  • March 15, 1970 - Rogatien "Rogie" Vachon set the regular season single period save record with 23 saves in the third period of a game against the Toronto Maple Leafs.  Rogie faced a record 24 shots that period as well.  The Canadiens and the Maple Leafs skated to a 3-3 tie that game.
  • March 19, 1974 - Ken Dryden tied the mark that Vachon set just over 4 years previous also saving 23 of the 24 shots he faced.  Dryden's effort in the first period proved too much for the Calgary Flames who couldn't catch up with Montreal, losing 4-1.
  • March 10, 1993 - Andre Racicot kept the New York Islanders off the board in the second period, saving 23 shots.  The Canadiens went on to win that game 5-1.
  • October 26, 2002 - Jeff Hackett adds his name to the list of goalies to stop 23 shots in one period.  In the first period of a 5-3 win over the Ottawa Senators, Hackett was able to keep the Sens scoreless.
Well, tonight Carey Price added himself to the Canadiens history books (again - he's already there for his amazing shootout stats) by stopping 23 of 24 shots in the first period and 53 shots in the game.  By the time he had played 40 minutes, he had already saved 41 shots - more saves than any other goaltender made tonight.  He was a brick wall tonight, but unlike any of the people he joins in the record book, he won't be getting a point to celebrate these saves with.

The Canadiens were unable to put a single puck past their opposing goaltender tonight, only mustering 20 shots in total on Pekka Rinne.  And according to the radio play-by-play, you would be hard pressed to call any one of those shots a solid scoring chance.

So this brings to mind a very obvious question - how does a goaltender who makes 20 easy saves deserve a 2nd star rating while a goaltender who makes 53 saves (23 in one period - more than his opponent over the entire night) deserve a 3rd star rating?

Answer - there were in Nashville, remember.

Carey Price could have made 100 saves, but as long as Rinne gets that shutout at home, he will get a higher star than Price.  Had roles been reversed: Rinne saves 53, Price saves 20 and Cammalleri had scored 2; I'm sure that Rinne would have been given 1st star for that performance.  What is the point of the 3 star system if it is not to keep the home crowd happy?  And how can anyone who understands the game not think that Price was a much bigger star in this game than was Rinne.  There are even some, I'm sure, who would argue that Price deserved first star over Steve Sullivan.

My picks for 3 star in tonights game:
  1. Steve Sullivan - scored 2 goals against the 'god' (at least for tonight) Carey Price, not to mention took 11 shots
  2. Carey Price - 23 saves in the first period, 41 saves through 40 minutes, 53 saves overall
  3. Pekka Rinne - I'd even consider Jason Arnott here, playing almost 22 minutes, getting in Price's face, playing hard
But, I don't make the picks, I just complain about them later.

Category: NHL
Tags: Canadiens, Price
 
 
 
 
 
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